Technology is a constand battle between manufacturers producing bigger and more idiot-proof systems and nature producing bigger and better idiots.\n-- Slashdot signature
"I am ecstatic that some moron re-invented a 1995 windows fuckup."\n-- Alan Cox
knghtbrd: there may be no spoon, but can you spot the vulnerability in eye_render_shiny_object.c?\n-- rcw
<Joy> wow... simple maths show that Debian developers have closed more\nthan *31* *thousand* bug reports since our BTS exists! <Joy> that is about 30999 more than Microsoft ;)
<Knghtbrd> NOTE THAT THE ABOVE IS JUST AN OPINION AND SHOULD NOT BE\nTAKEN TO INCLUDE ANY MEASURE OF FACTUAL INFORMATION.  THE\nSPEAKER DISCLAIMS EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE.  DEAL WITH IT.
<james> any gnome freaks around? <Knghtbrd> not me, I'm just a freak
<Madax> ahh <Madax> a gathering of geeks.... <Madax> I can smell it now
<Knghtbrd> learn to love Window Maker. <Knghtbrd> a little NeXTStep is good for the soul.
Caveats: it's GNOME, be afraid, be very afraid of the Depends line\n-- James Troup
<Culus> Hhhmmmmmmmm <Culus> waterbeds for cows <Culus> eleet <cas> Culus: why would a cow need a waterbed? <Culus> cas:  To be comfy warm
If you are what you eat, I guess that makes me a cheese danish.\n-- Anonymous
<hop> when you start making only stupid mistakes that are obvious, thats\nwhen you start getting competent <hop> because you don't make fundamental misunderstanding mistakes <hop> and thats a *good* sign.
<lilo> it's weird, when you go on a safari to Africa to catch a lion, you\nfind it alive and it charges, and then you kill it <lilo> when you go on a safari to South Bay to find a Palm Vx, you find\nit dead and take it home and it charges after it arrives :)
<lilo> I can read the bloody *manual* as if it were some sort of\nreligious tract describing forms of enlightenment you can achieve\nafter 10 years on a mountain :)
Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
I think irc isn't going to work though---we're running out of topic space!\n-- Joseph Carter
"Pacific Bell Customer Service, this is [..], how can I provide you with excellent customer service today?" "HAHAHAHAHA!!  That's good, I like it.." "Um, thanks, they make us say that."\n-- knghtbrd and a pacbell rep, name removed to protect her job
<danpat> Omnic: bloody newzealanders <Omnic> danpat: put a sock in it <danpat> heh :) <knghtbrd> making fun of .nz'ers is different---they're all weird * knghtbrd hides <Omnic> hrmph
<Joy> Flinny: black crontab magic kinda stuff :) <knghtbrd> Joy: does that mean people get to dance naked around bonfires\nchanting strange things and waving their arms about in a silly\nmanner? <rcw> knghtbrd: what do you *think* people do at novare?
<knghtbrd> *snipsnip* <rcw> oh dear, is that the sound of fortune-database editing? <Joy> uh oh <knghtbrd> Yes  =>
<Joy> that's a Kludge(TM) <knghtbrd> It Works(tm) <Joy> AIX works(TM) <knghtbrd> no it doesn't <knghtbrd> =>
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits."\n-- Albert Einstein
<knghtbrd> If charging someone for violation of US crypto laws would get\nyou laughed out of court, just "investigate" them on hte charge\nof TREASON! <knghtbrd> Tea, anyone? <Espy> I'd rather drown politicians instead of tea :) <stu> espy: politicians have gills, duh <Espy> weasels don't have gills
If I have trouble installing Linux, something is wrong. Very wrong.\n-- Linus Torvalds
* bma_home gropes you <bma_home> "oups, wrong channel" <bma_home> </acf> <cerb> quit groping me <doogie> you know you like it. <bma_home> actually, it was "grope me baby" <gecko-> touch my son and you die, bma ;) <doogie> gecko-: but your wife is ok?
Reading computer manuals without the hardware is as frustrating as reading sex manuals without the software.\n- Arthur C Clarke
<knghtbrd> (tinc) <Espy> (ytitac) <knghtbrd> (ntinac) <Espy> (it) <knghtbrd> (in) * Espy notes talking in acr^Winitialisms is scary when the other side\nunderstands you
<Espy_on_crack> "I installed 'Linux 6.1', doesn't that make me a unix\nguru?" <BenC> Espy_on_crack: no, you have to install it twice before you are a\nguru...once to prove you can do it, the second to fix the things\nyour broke the first time <Espy_on_crack> oh right, how silly of me
* knghtbrd does the ET thing <knghtbrd> anybody got a speak-n-spell?
<Omnic> another .sig addition
I'm starting to think the gene pool could use a little chlorine.
It's as BAD as you think, and they ARE out to get you.
<Espy> be careful, some twit might quote you <Espy> out of context...
*** Topic for #redhat:  ReDHaT is the answer to all your problems. It\ncould be the start too!
* cesarb wonders if in less than a week Carmack will end up receiving in\ne-mail a courtesy copy of a version of the Quake source which is four\ntimes faster than what went out of his virtual hands...
<Knghtbrd> JHM: I'm not putting quake in the kernel source <Knghtbrd> but we should put quake in the boot floppies to one-up\nCaldera's tetris game..  ;>
Guns don't kill people.  It's those damn bullets.  Guns just make them go really really fast.\n-- Jake Johanson
<Espy> we need to split main into"core" and "wtf-uses-this"
<dhd> is there a special christmas pack for quake <dhd> where you get to be like the santa robot on futurama? <dunham> dhd: that would be a rather unbalanced game... <Knghtbrd> dunham: that's the idea.  ;>
<Knghtbrd> the problem with the GNU coding standards is they ASSUME that\neveryone in the world uses emacs..  If that were the case, free\nsoftware would die because we would all have wrist problems\nlike RMS by now and no longer be able to code.  ;>
C'mon! political protest! sheesh. Where's that anarchist spirit? ;-)\n-- Decklin Foster
We've upped our standards, so up yours!
* woot is now known as woot-dinner * Knghtbrd sprinkles a little salt on woot <Knghtbrd> I've never had a woot before...  Hope they taste good <woot-dinner> noooo! <woot-dinner> don't eat me! * Knghtbrd decides he does not want a dinner that talks to him...  hehe
[regarding measures to prevent cheating in quake] I mean, as long as I can make my rocket launcher look like a big twinkie, I'll be happy ;)\n-- Qeyser <keyser@jhu.edu>
* Mercury calmly removes XT-Ream's arm.. * Mercury then proceeds to beat XT-Ream with XT-Ream's arm. <Knghtbrd> wow, all this quake hacking is making Mercury violent here * mao is glad the quake forge project is in good hands
<Knghtbrd> CVS/Entries had the line I needed to "alter" <Mercury> Knghtbrd: Was about to mention such.. <G> <Mercury> Knghtbrd: Now, ready to commit? <Knghtbrd> wish me luck <Knghtbrd> Mercury: it's committed <Knghtbrd> Mercury: and after all that, I should be too.
* Knghtbrd crosses his toes <Knghtbrd> (if I crossed my fingers it would be hard to type)
<Palisade> how are we going to pronounce '00 or '01 or '02 and so on? <Deek> Say goodbye to the nineties, say hello to the naughties. :)
<Deek> If the user points the gun at his foot and pulls the trigger, it\nis our job to ensure the bullet gets where it's supposed to.
<Mercury> Be warned, I have a keyboard I can use to beat luser's heads\nin, and then continue to use... (=:] <Deek> Mercury: Oh, an IBM. :)
<Palisade> knght, sheesh, are you pasting my words out of context in\n#debian or something? <Palisade> ;) <Knghtbrd> no, but I probably should be  ;> <Palisade> d'oh!
<cas> Mercury: gpm isn't a very good web browser.  fix it.
<cas> well there ya go.  say something stupid in irc and have it\nimmortalised forever in someone's .sig file
Microsoft is a cross between the Borg and the Ferengi.  Unfortunately, they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to do their programming.\n-- Simon Slavin
I would rather spend 10 hours reading someone else's source code than 10 minutes listening to Musak waiting for technical support which isn't.\n-- Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center
Where do you think you're going today?
<Tarzan> hey did you fall off your pirch or something? <knghtbrd> me?  heh.
<Espy> you are baked <knghtbrd> Espy: only half so
<darkangel> I generally don't use anything that has "experimental" and\n"warning" pasted all over it <darkangel> no, I'm not that dumb... hehe <Knghtbrd> ... * darkangel considers downloading the latest unstable kernel
<wichert> solaris is bsd, so it should work * Espy takes wichert's crack pipe away
* gxam wonders if all these globals are really necessary <Knghtbrd> most of them at the moment yes <Knghtbrd> we REALLY need to clean them up at some point <Knghtbrd> gxam: the globals will have to go away as we migrate towards\nmodularity and madness (ie, libtool)
<raptor> Adamel, i think the code you fixed of mine didn't work <raptor> i must not have commited the working code <Knghtbrd> raptor: like it's the first time THAT has ever happened  =p
<Mercury> Knghtbrd: Using -3dfx or -svga? <Knghtbrd> Mercury will do something sane with it <Knghtbrd> Mercury: both---svga sig11's, -3dfx sig4's <Knghtbrd> Mercury: that's not good right?  ;>
<Knghtbrd> Trust us, we know what we're doing...  We may have no idea HOW\nwe're doing it, but we know WHAT we're doing.
<jt> should a bug be marked critical if it only affects one arch? <james-workaway> jt: rc for that arch maybe, but those kind of arch\nspecific bugs are rare... <jt> not when it's caused by a bug in gcc <doogie> jt: get gcc removed from that arch. :)
<edLin> LWE? <edLin> Linux W?? E?? <seeS> will eatyou <JHM> World Expo? <edLin> i see
"Nominal fee". What an ugly sentence. It's one of those things that implies that if you have to ask, you can't afford it.\n-- Linus Torvalds
<Deek> you GPL your homework? :) <knghtbrd> yah  =D <knghtbrd> Anyone is permitted to use or modify my homework, but if they\ndistribute changes they must include the full machine-readable\nsource code ;>
* knghtbrd is each day more convinced that most C++ coders don't know what\nthe hell they're doing, which is why C++ has such a bad rap <Culus> kb: Most C coders don't know what they are doing, it just makes it\neasier to hide :P <Culus> see for instance, proftpd :P
<Culus> And don't get me started on perl! <Culus> :> <shaleh> perl is beyond evil <jim> you don't know perl yet? <netgod> gotta love a language with no definable syntax
<dhd> perl < /dev/bdsm <knghtbrd> you have a /dev/bdsm? <dhd> sure, it's a pseudosadomasochistic random number generator
<Kysh_> Joey: I'm on it right now.. 3 1.3Gb disks, 128M ram, dual 50Mhz\n(Up to quad 250Mhz) <Kysh_> The catch is that it pulls 110v at about 12A 8> <Culus> 12A! <Culus> Okay, my stove is 3000W, this sun is 1320W <Culus> DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM HERE <calc> a 1320W sun, that is like a hair dryer :)
* joeyh_ runs ps and sees 10 lines of awk code * joeyh_ recoils in horror
<knghtbrd> joeyh: I was down since midmorning yesterday and pacbell said\nthis morning that AT&T was to blame and almost all of the state\nwas down <rcw> dunno why people insist the internet can survive a nuclear holocaust\nwhen it can't survive a backhoe
This message was written with vi!  (not that anyone in the world cares)\n-- seen on an old message from an anon.penet.fi address
Connection reset by some moron with a backhoe
Feb  5 13:27:01 trinity lp0 on fire\n-- the Linux kernel, alerting me that there was some unknown problem with my printer (ie, it was out of ink)
The less you know about computers the more you want Microsoft!\n-- Microsoft ad campaign, circa 1996 (Proof that Microsoft's advertising _isn't_ dishonest!)
Making one brilliant decision and a whole bunch of mediocre ones isn't as good as making a whole bunch of generally smart decisions throughout the whole process.\n-- John Carmack
It's not usually cost effective time wise to go do it. But if something's really pissing you off, you just go find the code and fix it and that's really cool.\n-- John Carmack, on the advantages of open source
<Mercury> At that point it will compile, but segfault, as it should..
* Knghtbrd is FAR too tempted to .sig this entire discussion...
The Unixverse ends on Tue, 19 Jan 2038 03:14:07 +0000
<taniwha> Knghtbrd: we should do a quake episode :knee deep in the code"|you run around shooting at bugs:) <Knghtbrd> taniwha: I'll pass the idea on to OpenQuartz  ;>
<taniwha> i'd solve a windows key problem with fdisk :)
<Endy> knghtbrd: QW's netcode is doing strange things to me. :P <knghtbrd> This is unusual?  ;> <Endy> Not really. :P
<knghtbrd> rcw: Oh yay---I haven't been involved in a good flamewar in at\nleast ... 5 minutes!
<Manoj> shaleh: I am not, despite your implication, God
<SlayR> i just bought MS Office 2000 for only $20!!! <Knghtbrd> you got ripped off  ;> <SlayR> i know ;)
<Knghtbrd> it's 6am.  I have been up 24 hours <Knghtbrd> Wake me up and risk life and limb. * Knghtbrd &; sleep <Tv> Okay everyone, we wait 10 minutes and then start flooding Knghtbrd\nwith ^G's. Someone, hack root and cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp.
*** Knghtbrd is now known as SirKewLDooD *** Mercury kicked SirKewlDooD from #quakeforge (*WHACK*)
<Mercury> Knghtbrd: I'd love to see support for xor crosshairs.. <Knghtbrd> Mercury: you're on quack. <Mercury> Knghtbrd: You're the dealer... <G> *** Knghtbrd is now known as QuackDealer
* Dry-ice can't code his way out of a paper bag <Coderjoe> dry-ice: int main() { ExitPaperBag(); return 0; } <Knghtbrd> Is that how that's done then?  *takes notes*
<knghtbrd> eek, not another one... <knghtbrd> Seems ever developer and their mother now has a random\nsignature using irc quotes ... <knghtbrd> WHAT HAVE I STARTED HERE??
* seeS uses knghtbrd's comments as his signature <knghtbrd> seeS: as soon as I typed them I realized I'd better snip them\nmyself before someone else did  ;>
* Omnic looks at his 33.6k link and then looks at Joy * Mercury cuddles his cable modem.. (=:]
<knghtbrd> is it a sign of mental illness to wander aimlessly through the\nstart map, collect your Thunderbolt, hop in the pool, and gib\nyourself with it just to see your head buouce when it falls\nthrough the bottom of the pool?  => <knghtbrd> "You know you're a Quake addict when ..."
<Zoid> I still think you guys are nuts merging Q and QW. :P <knghtbrd> Of course we're nuts.  Even John said so.  => <taniwha> Zoid: we're nuts, but we're productive nuts:)
<taniwha> Zoid: we're nuts, but we're productive nuts:) * taniwha wonders what productive nuts taste like
<Endy> taniwha: Quote material :) <taniwha> Endy: :) <knghtbrd> Endy: I already snipped it
<Endy> Actually, I think I'll wait for potato to be finalised before\ninstalling debian. <Endy> That should be soon, I'm hoping. :) <knghtbrd> Endy: You obviously know very little about Debian.
Nothing is a problem once you debug the code.\n-- John Carmack
<Overfiend> The Unix way -- everything is a file <Overfiend> The Linux way -- everything is a filesystem :)
<devkev> yeah i saw the lightning gun and where you were going, thinking\nyou were gonna kick some ass :) <devkev> didnt realise it would be your own :)
"Otherwise, please speak to a doctor about removing your head from your ass, I believe it would be beneficial to all involved."\n-- Zephaniah E. Hull, flaming someone on a mailing list
Tagline, you're it!
<knghtbrd> this is college course in formal logic <devkev> knghtbrd: i hate that shit, much prefer fuzzy logic :) <knghtbrd> kev: fuzzy logic tickles. <taniwha> knghtbrd: lol <devkev> knghtbrd: fuzzy logic is so cool, it models the world really well
I am practicing a fine point of ethics.  It is acceptable to shoot back. It is not acceptable to shoot first.\n-- Zed Pobre
<Coderjoe> gib, perl? <gib> methinks perl is the programmer's Swiss Army Chainsaw
<Endy> taniwha: Have you TESTED this one? :) <taniwha> Endy: of course not
That's the funniest thing I've ever heard and I will _not_ condone it.\n-- DyerMaker, 17 March 2000 MegaPhone radio show
It's not?  Are you saying that you SHOULD allow people (other than William Wallace) to shoot lightning bolts from their arse?\n-- Seth Galbraith
<Mercury> You don't have to be crazy to be a member of the project, but\nyou will be.. <=:]
* Endy needs to consult coffee :P <Endy> coffee the bot person, not coffee the beverage :) <knghtbrd> consulting the beverage may help too  =>
<Mongoose> knghtbrd: and the meek shall inherit k-mart
<knghtbrd> "Java for the COBOL Programmer" <knghtbrd> who writes these things? <raptor> people on crack <raptor> and cobol programmers <raptor> :) <knghtbrd> that's redundant.
<evilkalla> heh, I never took a coding class <evilkalla> or a graphics class <evilkalla> or a software design class <vegan> and it shows :P
* The_Answer_MD throws spaghetti at everyone * taniwha eats the spaghetti * Coderjoe tosses around some meatballs * Knghtbrd gets the cheese * taniwha grabs a red
<theoddone33> What's this message on my screen, <theoddone33>   so blue, so blue, what could it mean? <theoddone33> Could you, would you press Delete, <theoddone33>   Ctrl and Alt and then repeat.
<gorgo> what do you get when someone cracks your debian machine ? <gorgo> mashed potato...
<aj> come on <aj> it's a pico clone <aj> it's *meant* to be annoying
<Espy> I invoke Espy's law, which states that you all suck :P
<Overfiend> Culus: wanna suspend me for it? :) <Culus> Overfiend:  Go maliciously crack a few severs and we'll talk <Overfiend> Culus: damn, it has to be malicious? <Culus> Overfiend:  Sadly, yes
<Knghtbrd> 2fort5 sucks enough to have its own gravity ...
* CosmicRay wishes he had some strippers here.... <CosmicRay> err, wire strippers
<WildTHing> ok guys .. so whens the next commit :PP <taniwha> when they come to get me
<mdorman> I'm a gnus person myself.  It's an editor!  It's a floorwax!\nIt's a dessert topping!
